Kuteerera kukurukurirano dzakangwara kunofadza. Mutori wenhau Maria Slonim anobvunza munyori Alexander Ilichevsky kuti chii chakaita kuva muongorori wezvinyorwa, nei chikamu chemutauro chiripo kunze kwemiganhu, uye zvatinodzidza pamusoro pedu patinofamba nemuchadenga.
Maria Slonim: Pandakatanga kukuverenga, ndakashamiswa nependi hombe yemavara yaunorasa nerupo. Une zvese nezvezvinonaka hupenyu, hwema seruvara uye hwema. Chinhu chekutanga chakandikochekera yaive nzvimbo dzakajairika - Tarusa, Aleksin. Iwe hausi kungotsanangura chete, asi zvakare edza kuziva?
Alexander Ilichevsky: Haisi nyaya yekuda kuziva chete, ndeye mibvunzo inomuka kana wakatarisa mamiriro. Mufaro waunopiwa nemamiriro ezvinhu, iwe uri kuedza kutsanangura neimwe nzira. Paunotarisa basa reunyanzvi, basa rehupenyu, muviri wemunhu, kunakidzwa kwekufungisisa kunogadziriswa. Mufaro wekufungisisa muviri wechikadzi unogona, semuenzaniso, kutsanangurwa nekumuka kwechisikigo mukati mako. Uye kana iwe uchitarisa kune imwe nyika, hazvinzwisisike zvachose apo chido cheatavistic chekuziva nzvimbo iyi inobva, kuenda mairi, kunzwisisa kuti nzvimbo iyi inokukunda sei.
M. S .: Kureva kuti uri kuedza kuvonekwa muchimiro chenyika. Iwe unonyora kuti "zvese nezve kugona kwenzvimbo kuratidza chiso, mweya, chimwe chinhu chemunhu", kuti chakavanzika chiri mukukwanisa kuzvitarisa mukati menyika.1.
AI .: Alexey Parshchikov, mudetembi wangu wandinoda uye mudzidzisi, akati ziso chikamu cheuropi chinotorwa kunze. Nayo pachayo, simba rekugadzirisa retsinga yemaziso (uye neural network yayo inotora chikamu chimwe muzvishanu chehuropi) inosungira pfungwa dzedu kuita zvakawanda. Zvinotorwa neretina, kupfuura chero chinhu chipi zvacho, zvinoumba hunhu hwedu.
Alexey Parshchikov akati ziso chikamu cheuropi chinotorwa kunze kwemhepo
Kune art, maitiro ekuongorora maonero chinhu chakajairika: kana iwe uchiedza kufunga kuti chii chinokupa iwe mafaro, iyi ongororo inogona kuwedzera aesthetic mafaro. Yese philology inosimuka kubva panguva ino yekunakidzwa kwakanyanya. Mabhuku anopa zvinoshamisa marudzi ese enzira dzekuratidza kuti munhu anenge hafu yenzvimbo.
M. S .: Hongu, iwe une zvese nezvemunhu pamusoro pemamiriro ekunze, mukati make.
AI .: Pane imwe nguva pfungwa yakashata yakadaro yakamuka yokuti kunakidzwa kwedu nenharaunda rutivi rwomufaro woMusiki, waakagamuchira apo aitarira chisiko chake. Asi munhu akasikwa “nomufananidzo nomufananidzo” anowanzogara achidzokorora uye kunakidzwa nezvaaita.
M. S .: Yako sainzi mamiriro uye kanda mumabhuku. Iwe hausi kungonyora intuitively, asiwo edza kushandisa nzira yemusayendisiti.
AI .: Dzidzo yesainzi ibetsero yakakomba mukukudza mativi omunhu; uye kana chitarisiko chakafara zvakakwana, ipapo zvinhu zvakawanda zvinonakidza zvinogona kuwanikwa, kana nekuda kwekuda kuziva. Asi mabhuku anopfuura izvozvo. Kwandiri, iyi haisi nguva inofadza. Ini ndinorangarira zvakanyanya nguva yekutanga yandakaverenga Brodsky. Yakanga iri pavharanda reKhrushchev yedu ine nhurikidzwa shanu munharaunda yeMoscow, baba vangu vakadzoka kubva kubasa, vakauya nenhamba ye "Spark": "Tarisa, pano murume wedu akapiwa Nobel Prize."
Panguva iyoyo ndakanga ndigere ndichiverenga Field Theory, vhoriyamu yechipiri yeLandau naLivshitz. Ndinoyeuka kuti ndakaita ndichizengurira sei kumashoko ababa vangu, asi ndakatora magazini yacho kuti ndibvunze pamusoro peizvo ava vanoyamura vanhu vakauya nazvo. Ndakadzidza paKolmogorov boarding school paMoscow State University. Uye ipapo takagadzira kuramba tichizvidza vanhu, kusanganisira chemistry nekuda kwechimwe chikonzero. Kazhinji, ndakatarisa Brodsky nekusafarira, asi ndakagumburwa pamutsara: "... Hawk pamusoro, seskweya mudzi kubva kwakadzika, sepamberi pemunamato, denga ..."
Ndakafunga: kana mudetembi achiziva chimwe chinhu pamusoro pemidzi mativi, zvino zvingave zvakakodzera kunyatsomutarisa. Chimwe chinhu pamusoro peElegies yeRoma chakandikochekera, ndakatanga kuverenga ndikaona kuti nzvimbo ye semantic yandaive nayo pandaiverenga Field Theory yaive neimwe nzira yechienzi yehunhu hwakafanana nekuverenga nhetembo. Pane izwi mumasvomhu rakakodzera kutsanangura kunyorerwa kwakadaro kwenzvimbo dzakasiyana siyana: isomorphism. Uye nyaya iyi yakanamatira mundangariro dzangu, ndicho chikonzero ndakazvimanikidza kuteerera Brodsky.
Mapoka evadzidzi akaungana ndokukurukura nhetembo dzaBrodsky. Ndakaendako ndokunyarara hangu nekuti zvese zvandainzwa ikoko ndaisazvifarira.
Dzimwe sarudzo dzepampering dzakatotanga. Mapoka evadzidzi akaungana ndokukurukura nhetembo dzaBrodsky. Ndakaendako ndokunyarara hangu nekuti zvese zvandainzwa ikoko ndaisazvifarira zvisingaite. Uye ipapo ndakasarudza kutamba trick pane idzi «philologists». Ndakanyora nhetembo, ndichitevedzera Brodsky, uye ndakaitsveta kwavari kuti vakurukure. Vakatanga kufunga zvisina maturo izvi vachikakavadzana nazvo. Ndakavateerera kweanenge maminetsi gumi ndokuti izvi zvose zvakanga zvakanyorwa pamabvi maawa mashoma apfuura. Ndipo pazvakatangira nekupusa uku.
M. S .: Kufamba kunoita basa rakakura muhupenyu hwako uye mabhuku. Iwe une gamba - mufambi, mufambi, anogara akatarisa. Sezvauri iwe. Uri kutsvagei? Kana kuti uri kutiza?
AI .: Mafambiro angu ese ainyatsonzwisisa. Pandakatanga kuenda kunze kwenyika, yakanga isiri kunyange sarudzo, asi kumanikidzwa kufamba. Academician Lev Gorkov, mukuru weboka redu paLD Landau Institute for Theoretical Physics muChernogolovka, akambotiunganidza ndokuti: “Kana muchida kuita sainzi, ipapo munofanira kuedza kuenda kune imwe kosi yokupasa fundo kunze kwenyika.” Saka ndakanga ndisina zvakawanda zvokusarudza.
M. S .: Igore ripi iri?
AI .: 91st. Pandakanga ndichangopedza chikoro muIsrael, vabereki vangu vakaenda kuAmerica. Ndaifanira kusangana navo zvakare. Uye ipapo ndakanga ndisinawo sarudzo. Uye ndiri ndoga, ndakasarudza kutama kaviri - muna 1999, pandakasarudza kudzokera kuRussia (zvairatidzika kwandiri kuti ino ndiyo nguva yekuvaka nzanga itsva), uye muna 2013, pandakasarudza kuenda. Izirayeri. Ndiri kutsvagei?
Munhu, shure kwezvose, munhu wevanhu. Chero angave ari introvert, iye achiri chigadzirwa chemutauro, uye mutauro chibereko chenzanga
Ndiri kutsvaga imwe mhando yekuvapo kwechisikigo, ndiri kuedza kuwiriranisa pfungwa yangu yeramangwana neramangwana iro nharaunda yevanhu vandakasarudzira vavakidzani nekushandira pamwe (kana vasina). Mushure mezvose, munhu, mushure mezvose, munhu anoshamwaridzana. Chero angave ari introvert, iye achiri chigadzirwa chemutauro, uye mutauro chibereko chenzanga. Uye pano pasina zvingasarudzwa: kukosha kwemunhu ndiko kukosha kwemutauro.
M. S .: Nzendo dzese idzi, kufamba, kutaura mitauro yakawanda… Kare, izvi zvainzi kutama. Iye zvino hazvichagoneki kutaura kuti uri munyori weEmigre. Chii chaive Nabokov, Konrad ...
AI .: Hapana zvakadaro. Iye zvino mamiriro acho akasiyana zvachose. Brodsky akanga akarurama zvachose: munhu anofanira kugara kwaanoona zviratidzo zvezuva nezuva zvakanyorwa mumutauro waanonyora. Kumwe kuvapo kwose hakusi kwomusikirwo. Asi muna 1972 pakanga pasina internet. Iye zvino zviratidzo zvave zvakasiyana: zvese zvaunoda zvehupenyu zvino zvakatumirwa paWebhu - pamabloggi, pamasaiti enhau.
Miganhu yakadzimwa, miganhu yetsika zvechokwadi yakarega kupindirana neiyo geographical. Kazhinji, ndosaka ndisina chido chekukurumidzira chekudzidza kunyora nechiHebheru. Pandakasvika muCalifornia muna 1992, ndakaedza kunyora neChirungu gore rakatevera. Zvechokwadi, ndingafara kana ndikashandurirwa muchiHebheru, asi vaIsrael havafariri zvakanyorwa muchiRussia, uye izvi zvakanyanya mafungiro akarurama.
M. S .: Kutaura nezve internet uye social media. Bhuku rako «Kurudyi Kuruboshwe»: Ndakaverenga zvinyorwa kubva paFB, uye zvinoshamisa, nokuti pakutanga paiva nezvinyorwa, asi zvakazoitika kuva bhuku.
AI .: Kune mabhuku anokonzera mufaro unotyisa; izvi zvagara zviri kwandiri "Imbwa yepamugwagwa" naCzesław Miłosz. Ane zvinyorwa zviduku, imwe neimwe peji. Uye ndakafunga kuti zvingava zvakanaka kuita chimwe chinhu nenzira iyi, kunyanya ikozvino zvinyorwa zvipfupi zvave rudzi rwechisikigo. Ini zvishoma ndakanyora bhuku iri pa blog yangu, «mhanya mukati» mariri. Asi, chokwadi, pakanga pachine basa rekunyora, uye rakanga rakakomba. A blog sechishandiso chekunyora inoshanda, asi iyo ingori hafu yehondo.
M. S .: Ndinonyatsoda bhuku iri. Iyo ine nyaya, pfungwa, manotsi, asi inobatanidza mune, sezvawakataura, symphony ...
AI .: Hongu, kuedza kwandakanga ndisingatarisiri. Zvinyorwa, kazhinji, imhando yechikepe chiri pakati pechinhu - mutauro. Uye ngarava iyi inofamba zvakanyanya ne bowsprit perpendicular kune wave kumberi. Nekuda kweizvozvo, iyo kosi inotsamira kwete chete pamufambisi wechikepe, asi zvakare nekufemerwa kwezvinhu. Zvikasadaro, hazvibviri kuita kuti mabhuku ave mold yenguva: chete chinhu chemutauro chinokwanisa kuitora, nguva.
M. S .: Kukuzivai kwangu kwakatanga pamatunhu andakaona, mukazondiratidza Israeri… Ipapo ndakaona kuti imi, kwete nameso enyu chete, asi netsoka dzenyuwo muchinzwa nzvimbo yaIsraeri nenhoroondo yayo. Uchiri kurangarira patakaita nhangemutange kuti tione makomo pakuvira kwezuva?
AI .: Mumativi iwawo, muSamaria, nguva pfupi yapfuura ndakaratidzirwa rimwe gomo rinoshamisa. Maonero kubva kwaari akadaro zvekuti anokuvadza mazino ake. Kune zvakawanda zvakasiyana-siyana zvirongwa zvemakomo zvokuti kana zuva ranyura uye chiedza chinowira pakona yakaderera, unogona kuona kuti zvirongwa izvi zvinotanga sei kusiyana muhue. Pamberi pako pane peach yakatsvuka Cezanne, iri kudonha kuita machunks emumvuri, mimvuri kubva mumakomo iri kunyatso mhanya nemumipata mumasekonzi ekupedzisira. Kubva pagomo iroro nomoto wechiratidzo—kuenda kune rimwe gomo, zvichingodaro kuMesopotamia—mashoko pamusoro poupenyu muJerusarema akapfuudzwa kuBhabhironi, uko nhapwa dzechiJudha dzakapera simba.
M. S .: Takazodzoka zuva rodoka zvishoma.
AI .: Ehe, masekonzi akanyanya kukosha, ese mafoto enzvimbo anoedza kutora nguva ino. Nzendo dzedu dzose dzinogona kunzi "kuvhima kunyura kwezuva." Ndakayeuka nyaya yakabatana neSymbolists yedu Andrei Bely naSergei Solovyov, muzukuru wemuzivi mukuru, vaiva nepfungwa yekutevera zuva sezvavaigona. Kune mugwagwa, hapana mugwagwa, nguva dzese unofanirwa kutevera zuva.
Pane imwe nguva Sergei Solovyov akasimuka kubva pachigaro chake pa dacha veranda - uye akanyatsotevera zuva, akanga aenda kwemazuva matatu, uye Andrei Bely akamhanyira mumasango, achimutsvaka.
Pane imwe nguva Sergei Solovyov akasimuka kubva pachigaro chake pa dacha veranda - uye akanyatsoenda shure kwezuva, akanga aenda kwemazuva matatu, uye Andrei Bely akamhanya mumasango, achimutsvaka. Ndinogara ndichiyeuka nyaya iyi kana ndakamira pakuvira kwezuva. Kune kutaura kwakadaro kwekuvhima - "kumira pakubata" ...
M. S .: Mumwe wemagamba ako, nyanzvi yefizikisi, mumaonero angu, anoti muzvinyorwa zvake nezveArmenia: "Zvichida anofanira kugara pano zvachose?" Uri kufamba nguva dzese. Unogona here kufungidzira kuti waizogara kumwe nokusingaperi? Uye akaramba achinyora.
AI .: Ndichangobva kuva nepfungwa iyi. Ndinowanzoenda kuIsrael uye rimwe zuva ndakawana nzvimbo inongondinakira. Ndinouya ikoko ndonzwisisa kuti ndiko kumba. Asi haugone kuvaka dzimba ikoko. Iwe unogona chete kumisa tende ipapo, sezvo iyi inzvimbo yekuchengetedza, saka kurota kweimba kunoramba kusingagoneki. Inondiyeuchidza nyaya yekuti, muTarusa, pamahombekombe eOka, dombo rakaonekwa pariri rakavezwa: "Marina Tsvetaeva angada kurara pano."
1 Iyo nyaya "Bonfire" muunganidzwa weA. Ilichevsky "Swimmer" (AST, Astrel, Yakagadziriswa naElena Shubina, 2010).