Benedict Cumberbatch: "Vana ndivo vakanakisa simbi murwendo rwedu"

Kunopenya, kunonakidza pano - muresitorendi yechiJudha isiri kure neHampstead Heath mune imwe imba yekugara, yakati philistine, Bourgeois-yakabudirira Hampstead kuchamhembe kweLondon. Madziro eruvara rwebhuruu, chandelier chakashongedzwa, zvigaro zvakasimudzwa neruvara rwebhuruu nemaruva nemapazi… Uye hapana munhu panguva ino pakati pekudya kwemasikati uye zvinonzi nemaBritish kudya kwemanheru.

Hongu, kana vatengi vatatu kana vamiriri vakarara zvishoma, zvinopesana nezvandinotarisira, havatarise kwatiri. Asi, sezvazvinozoitika, ivo havana hanya zvachose nekuti mutauri wangu mubhurugwa grey, grey sweatshirt, ane grey sikavha pamutsipa wake, akasungirirwa neascetic noose, ari kuedza kuve asingaoneki. Asi nekuti ari "masikati emazuva ese" pano.

Benedict Cumberbatch, zvinoonekwa, anogara achironga nguva paresitorendi iyi, nekuti anogara nzendo yemaminetsi gumi kubva, "uye haugone kukoka kumba - kune mhere-mhere yevana, mhere-mhere, mitambo, misodzi, kunyengetedza kuti udye zvishoma. yeizvi, kusadya zvakanyanya zveizvo ... kana zvinopesana - kwete kungonyarara, asi awa yakafa. Uye pano unogona kuuya wakapfeka masilippers uye pakarepo mushure mehurukuro dzokera kunharaunda yedu yevakuru nevadiki, uko kusiri pachena kuti ndiani ari kudzidzisa ... uye kwandinovavarira kubva kwese kwese, chero kwandinenge ndiri.

Zvinoshamisa kuti ini ndinzwe uyu mutsara wekupedzisira kubva kwaari - anogara achingogara achivhurwa maresitorendi mukati mezuva, asiwo yemakapeti matsvuku, misangano yevatori venhau, zviitiko zvepamutemo uye zverudo, kwaanogara achiratidza kuva shasha yekutaurirana. uye nyanzvi yekutaura zvishoma. Uye kubva kumurume akambobvuma kuti ... Hongu, hongu, ini ndichakurumidza kumubvunza pamusoro peizvi.

Mafungiro: Ben, ndine urombo, asi zvinoshamisa kunzwa nezvechishuwo chekudzokera kumba kubva kune murume akamboti achiri mudiki, chaainyanya kutya kwaiva kurarama hupenyu husingashamisi. Uye hezvino iwe - mhuri, vana, imba muHampstead ... iyo isina makore yakajairwa. Asi zvakadini nebasa, basa, mukurumbira - aya pfungwa dzakaderedzwa mumeso ako here?

Benedict Cumberbatch: Handizivi kuti muri kunditsika-tsika here ... Asi ndinopindura zvakasimba. Zvino zvandava mumakumi mana, ndaona chimwe chinhu chinoita sechiri nyore. Hupenyu ndiyo nzira. Ndiko kuti, kwete maitiro ari kuitika kwatiri. Iyi ndiyo nzira yedu, sarudzo yenzira. Kwainoenda — iro risiri guva — harina kunyatsojeka. Asi kumira kwega kwega kunotevera, sekutaura, kumira, kunowedzera kana kushoma. Dzimwe nguva kwete kwatiri. Asi mumhepo unogona kutonzwa mhepo kubva ipapo ...

Munoziva, chokwadi, kuti vabereki vangu vatambi. Uye ndichiziva zvizere nezvekusagadzikana kwehupenyu hwekuita, dzimwe nguva hunonyadzisa, hunotsamira nguva dzose, vakatsiga, uye zvakakomba, kuti ndinowana dzidzo yepamusoro inobvira. Uye vakaunganidza mari yavo yese kuti vanditumire kuchikoro chepamusoro-soro chevakomana, Chikoro cheHarrow.

Vaitarisira kuti netarisiro inopiwa naHarrow, ndaigona kuva chiremba, nyanzvi yokuongorora nyeredzi, gweta. Uye ini ndichawana yakagadzikana, isina makore ramangwana. Asi ndisati ndaenda kuchikoro uye pazororo, ndaiwanzouya kunhandare yemitambo, kumitambo yaamai kana kuti yababa vangu. Uye saka ndinorangarira…

Ndine makore gumi nerimwe okuberekwa, ndinomira seri kwedariro uye ndinotarisa vatambi, parima, iro kwandiri riri panzvimbo yeimba huru… Uye ndinonzwa kunge kubva murima iro apo vateereri, kupisa kunobuda. Zvakanaka, ndinozvinzwa!

Amai vanodzoka panhandare, vanondiona uye, pamwe, chimiro chakakosha pachiso changu ndokuti chinyararire: "Aiwa, mumwezve ..." Akaziva kuti ndakanga ndaenda. Uye saka, apo, mushure meHarrow, ndakazivisa kuti ndakanga ndichiri kuda kuva mutambi, izvo zvaireva mukuita "kugehena nekuedza kwako uye nedzidzo yako," vabereki vangu vakangogomera zvakanyanya ...

Kureva kuti, ndakaronga ramangwana rekuita iri mandiri - ipapo, kuseri kwezviitiko pakuita kwaamai vangu. Uye yangu inotevera ... «kumira» yaive yekuve nhanho, pamwe, kana ndakaita rombo rakanaka, skrini. Kwete pakarepo, asi zvakashanda. Uye mushure mese mabasa aya, kubudirira uye kusingatarisirwe zvachose kwaSherlock kwandiri, ndakanzwa senge ndiri kurasikirwa ...

Uye zvinonyanya kukosha - chirango chemukati, kuisa pfungwa, chiratidzo chechokwadi, chakajeka chezvinhu. Yakadzika midzi muchokwadi. Kubvuma kwake kwakadzikama. Uye izvi zvakakosha kupfuura kubudirira kwehunyanzvi, ndinokuvimbisa. Kurarama upenyu hwemazuva ose kwakazova kwakakosha kupfuura basa.

Asi wakataura nezve chishuwo chekurarama hupenyu hunoshamisa mushure mechiitiko chakakosha, chiitiko muSouth Africa ...

… Hongu, muhuripo hunogona kunzi muganhu. Ndaive ndakananga kupfuti neshamwari mbiri, mota yakaponja vhiri. Vakomana vatanhatu vaive nepfuti dzemuchina vakauya kwatiri, vakandisundidzira neshamwari dzangu mumotokari, vakandiendesa musango, vakandiisa pamabvi angu - uye isu takatoonekana nehupenyu, uye ivo, vatora makadhi edu echikwereti nemari. , akabva anyangarika...

Ipapo ndipo pandakafunga kuti unofa uri wega, sekuzvarwa kwawakaita, hapana wekuvimba naye uye unofanirwa kurarama zvizere, hongu ... Asi rimwe zuva unonzwa kuti kurarama zvizere ndizvo zvazviri: kumusha kwangu, nzvimbo yakanyarara, yevana ine hwindo hombe uye unochinja manapukeni. Uhu ndihwo hupenyu hwakazara, huyerwa nechiyero chikuru.

Naizvozvo, ngatitii, iyi covid quarantine haina kundinyima chiyero, asi vazhinji vakanyunyuta. Mhuri yedu yese - ini, vana, vabereki vangu nemukadzi - takanga takanamatira kuNew Zealand, kwandaitora firimu panguva iyoyo. Takaita mwedzi miviri tiriko uye hatina kuona kuti vanhu vakanga vavharirwa. Ndakadzidza kuridza banjo nekubika chingwa. Tainhonga howa mumakomo ndokuverengera vana zvinonzwika. Ndaiti kwaitove kubhinya chaiko. Uye iwe unoziva, inoratidzika semhando yekufungisisa - kana iwe uri, sokunge zvakadaro, kunze kwepfungwa dzako dzenguva dzose, uko kwakachena uye kwakadzikama.

Wataura izwi rekuti "dzikama" kaviri mumaminetsi mashanu apfuura…

Hongu, angave akataura. Ndakashaya chaizvo izvi - rugare rwemukati. Zano rakanakisa randati ndambowana muhupenyu hwangu ndakaripihwa nemumwe akura kwazvo makore makumi maviri apfuura. Ndakanga ndiri kuchikoro chedrama panguva iyoyo. Pashure penguva yakati rehearsal, akati, “Ben, usanetseka hako. Ityai, chenjerai, chenjerai. Asi usanetseka. Usarega kufara kwacho kuchikuderedza."

Uye ndainyanya kunetseka: ndakafunga kuve mutambi nekuda kwekuti ini zvakanyanya kana zvishoma kufungidzira bhizinesi iri? Pashure pezvose, ndaizoenda kuHarrow kunova gweta, asi pane imwe nguva ndakaona zvakajeka kuti ndakanga ndisina kungwara zvakakwana nokuda kweizvi. Ipapo zvakava pachena kuti ndaitaura chokwadi - ndinoziva magweta, mamwe acho vandinodzidza navo, vakangwara zvakanyanya, uye handina kudaro ...

Asi ipapo ndakanga ndisina kunaka zvachose. Uye akanga asina chokwadi nezvechimwe chinhu - kwete maari, kana muchokwadi chokuti akanga aita chinhu chakanaka ... Zano iroro raibatsira zvikuru. Asi kazhinji, ndakarega kunetseka chete apo Sophie neni takaungana uye Keith akaberekwa (Christopher ndiye mwanakomana mukuru wemutambi, akaberekwa muna 2015. - Approx. ed.).

Iwe uri mumwe weavo vanotenda kuti nekuzvarwa kwevana kwakachinja zvachose?

Hongu uye kwete. Ndichiri zvimwe chetezvo. Asi ndakazvirangarira pachangu ndichiri mudiki - inonakidza sei, pfungwa itsva yekuzvimirira yandakawana apo hanzvadzi yangu nevabereki vakandipa bhasikoro revakuru rekutanga! Ndinofunga kuti zvinokosha kuyeuka kuva mukomana aifarira kuchovha bhasikoro nemhaka yepfungwa itsva yokuzvimirira kuti ave baba vakanaka. Uye basa racho nderekupengenutsa, munoziva. Funga zvishoma pamusoro pako.

Uyezve, ndakatanga kunyatsonzwisisa vabereki vangu. Semuenzaniso, chokwadi chekuti baba muhuduku hwangu vakaenda kuchimbuzi nepepanhau. Ndakagara kumucheto kwebath ndokuverenga. Uye aibata nemitero panzvimbo imwe chete pane singi. Hongu baba ndakunzwisisai. Dzimwe nguva zvakakosha kuti vana vasipo. Asi kazhinji zvinodikanwa kuti vave mukuona. Iyi ndiyo tsigiro yakanakisa murwendo rwedu.

Iwe une zvipi nezvipi zvako zvawakawanwa mumunda wedzidzo here?

Idzi ndidzo nzira dzevabereki vangu. Ndiri mwana wevanhu vakura — amai vangu vaiva nemakore makumi mana nerimwe ekuberekwa pandakazvarwa, Tracy, hanzvadzi yekuroorwa kwaamai vangu wekutanga, mukuru kwandiri nemakore gumi nemashanu. Asi vabereki vangu vaigara vachindibata semunhu akaenzana naye. Kureva kuti vaikurukura nemwana sezvavaiva nemwana, asi handiyeuki kuchinja kwavakaita pavakataura neni semunhu mukuru.

Hapana sarudzo yangu yakaonekwa seyakashata, asi chete se…yangu, izvo ini pachangu ndichazvidavirira. Asi zviri nani kuti vana vanondirera ndirege kuvaita ivo! Ndave nemoyo murefu, ndinongofunga nezvezvinhu zvakananga. Uye - sezvavanokura - ndinoona kuti handigone kuve nemutoro wezvese.

Zvino ndinorangarira mumwe munhu anoshamisa, mumongi muKathmandu… Mushure meHarrow, ndakafunga kumbozorora ndisati ndaenda kuyunivhesiti ndokuenda kuNepal somuzvipiri kunodzidzisa Chirungu kumamongi maduku. Uye ipapo akaramba ari rudzi rwemudzidzi mune imwe monastery - kwemwedzi mishoma. Kuzvidzora, zvidzidzo zvekunyarara, maawa akawanda ekufungisisa. Uye ipapo, mumwe murume akajeka akambotiudza: usazvipa mhosva kazhinji.

Uye iwe uri muBhudha, nekuti Buddhism ine tsika inoshanduka kupfuura chiKristu?

Asi chokwadi ndechekuti iwe haugone kuve nemhosva kune zvese uye nemunhu wese! Ita zvaunogona uye usazvipa mhosva. Nekuti rudzi rwekudada kuzvibata wega mumamiriro ezvinhu apo iwe unogona kunge usina simba. Zvinonyanya kukosha kuziva miganhu yemutoro wako uye, kana paine, mhosva yako.

Kazhinji, kuziva muganhu, kukwanisa kumisa chimwe chinhu munguva. Saka ndakaita zvinhu zvakawanda muhupenyu hwangu - pachikuva, mubhaisikopo - kuti vabereki vangu vadade neni. Asi pane imwe nguva ndakati kwandiri: mira. Ndinovada zvikuru, ndinovatenda zvikuru, asi haugone kutungamira hupenyu hwako maererano navo. Iwe unofanirwa kukwanisa kumira nenguva - kuita chimwe chinhu, kunzwa chimwe chinhu. Ingoenda kune inotevera nhanho, usabatike mune iyo isisiri yako saizi, yakasimba, yakanyanyisa.

Nenzira, panzvimbo imwe chete, muNepal, ini neshamwari yangu takaenda kune imwe nzvimbo, takarasika, mazuva maviri gare gare muHimalaya - tarisa uye tarira! — vakaona ndove yeyaki ndokutevedza nzira yengoro kumusha. Nezviratidzo, vakaratidza kuti vakanga vane nzara ine utsinye, uye vakagamuchira zvokudya zvinonaka zvikuru munyika - mazai. Ndakabva ndangoita manyoka hangu. Uye shamwari yakaseka zvakasuruvara: ruponeso rwedu rwakava nemigumisiro yakanaka.

Uye aive chokwadi: muhupenyu, zvishamiso uye ... zvakanaka, tsvina inobatana. Kwete hazvo yechipiri - kutsiva kwekutanga. Kungobata maoko chete. Mufaro uye kusvotesa. Izvi zvese zvakare nezve nyaya yerunyararo uye yangu Buddhism.

Kuva nemhuri kwakakanganisa sei basa rako? Waifanira kufungazve chimwe chinhu here?

Handina chokwadi chokuti vana vasati vaberekwa, ndisati ndawana kuenzanisa pakati pehupenyu hwepamba nebasa, ndingadai ndakatsigira kubhadhara kwakaenzana kwevarume nevakadzi mufirimu nemitambo zvakanyanya. Uye zvino ndinoramba purojekiti kana ndisina kuvimbiswa kuti "murume" uye "mukadzi" mazinga mairi akaenzana.

Ini, mushure mezvose, ndiri murume akaganhurirwa, ndisati ndambonyanyoshayiwa, murume muchena wezera repakati. Haisi nyaya yainge yandibata zvekuti dai ndaisanzwisisa mukuita kuti kuita mai vanoshanda kwakadii.

Zvinodawo kuziva kuti, ndave baba, ndinotarisa mabasa acho neimwe nzira. Ndakaridza Hamlet paBarbican apo Keith akanga ava negore. Uye akatarisa Hamlet kwete sepakutanga-semunhu akatarisana nesarudzo iripo. “Kuve kana kusave”… Kwete, ndakaona maari mwanakomana, nherera, mukomana anoona amai vake semutengesi nekuti vakarasa ndangariro dzababa vake.

Uye iye zvose - kutsamwa kwehuduku, nyota yekuratidza kuna amai vake kuti vakakanganisa sei. Iye mwanakomana zvachose - kwete hunhu hwakajeka, kwete mudiwa waOphelia kana munyengeri, iye achiri kuyaruka akanzwa hunherera hwake. Uye anotsvaka kutsiva vakuru. Dzosa kururamisira kuElsinore sezvaanozviona.

Ini handitomboregi kuti kutaura kwangu mushure meimwe yemitambo yaive yekudzivirira vapoteri kubva kuSyria, vachipokana nevezvematongerwo enyika nechisarudzo chavo chisina musoro chekubvuma zviuru makumi maviri chete muBritain mumakore mashanu, nepo zviuru zvishanu chete zvakasvika muLampedusa neLesvos. zuva ... Pamwe, kutaura uku kwakatsanangurwawo nechishuwo chaHamlet chekururamisira… Mazwi ekupedzisira akataurwa kune vezvematongerwo enyika - zvechokwadi.

Unodemba here kutaura uku, kutuka kwevakuru vezvematongerwo enyika vekuBritain? Pakupedzisira, nokuti ipapo wakatopomerwa unyengeri.

Oh hongu: "Nyeredzi ine mamiriyoni inonzwira tsitsi vapoteri, iye pachake haavabvumiri kupinda mumba make." Uye kwete, handizvidembi. Sekuona kwangu, iyi ndiyo inonyanya kukonzeresa - kana pfungwa yako yekururamisira yasimuka. Zvino, sevamwe vakawanda, ndakangopindurwa nemufananidzo uri mumapepanhau: mutumbi wemwana ane makore maviri okukura ari pamutsetse wekusefa. Akanga ari mupoteri kubva kuSiria yakanga yasakadzwa nehondo, akanyura muGungwa reMediterranean. Mwana akafa nekuti akatiza hondo.

Ini ndaifanira kukurumidza kutaura nevateereri kubva pachikuva, mushure memutambo, pauta hwangu. Uye nechimwe chinhu chaive nemanzwiro mamwe chete andakasangana nawo - musanganiswa weshungu nehasha. Idzi dzakanga dziri nhetembo dzomudetembi wokuNigeria: “Hapana nzvimbo yemwana muchikepe kutozosvikira gungwa radzikama kupfuura pasi . . .

Kusvika iye zvino, sarudzo yekurambidza vapoteri kupinda munyika inoita seyakashata kwandiri. Basa rangu raiva rekuvatsvagira mari. Uye mushandirapamwe wakabudirira. Ichi ndicho chinhu chikuru. Hongu, ini kazhinji ndaikanganwa kuzvidemba kwandakaita. handisati ndasvika pazviri. Ndine vana.